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    Josh Gordon...........does he still matter to the Browns?

    Why Josh Gordon Matters
    [Jared Mueller]
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    Wednesday at 5:34 PM

    The future for Josh Gordon and the Cleveland Browns is largely unknown but he still very much matters.

    Some Facts:

    Josh Gordon is not on the active roster.
    Josh Gordon can reapply in August to be reinstated to the league after not getting approval in the Spring.
    Josh Gordon was a top flight wide receiver before running his career straight off the road.
    Most Cleveland Browns fans have turned the page on Josh Gordon, with most saying he doesn't matter.

    But Josh Gordon does matter, today for the Cleveland Browns. While fans, and even media, want to move passed him and his history, his present (and presence) is important. While most do not want to get their hopes up about a deep threat talent with both size, speed and hands, the Browns organization has a player in limbo that they must account for.

    So why does Josh Gordon matter?

    First, there is the constant media coverage both locally and nationally. A player of such talent is bound to garner a ton of attention and we have seen it all over:

    Jim Brown telling Cleveland.com that he has spoken to Gordon and Brown's belief is the wide receiver's ability to return:

    "I've talked with Josh twice on the phone, and the last time I talked with him he sounded very motivated and I think he was in rehab and feeling good about it and discovering some things about himself,'' Brown told cleveland.com at the Browns Foundation golf outing at Westwood Country Club. "He really seemed ready to take responsibility for himself.''

    "His way of expressing himself, the responsibility he was taking made me feel really very motivated about his chance of getting back,'' said Brown.

    With the Browns recent attempts to re-engage former greats from the team's past, with Jim Brown being the greatest, these words mean something.

    On ESPN, Pat McManamon tries to read the tea leaves regarding a possible Gordon return:

    "Nothing's going to be sure or guaranteed. But it certainly makes you take a step back and reanalyze what you did and why you did it and sort of what you valued at the time."

    The reanalysis clearly has led to a particular approach.

    That approach did not include Manziel.

    It's tough to see how it includes Gordon.

    Pro Football Talk noted last week that no one knows what the results of Gordon's appeal might be but that something bigger might be at play:

    At some level, Gordon could be a pawn in the broader power play between the league and the NFL Players Association, with the NFL yielding broad power because it can and the message to the union being clear: If you don’t like it, change it at the bargaining table. Regardless, he remains on the outside — and there’s simply no way of predicting if or when he’ll get back in.

    Finally, local blog Dawg Pound Daily yesterday stated that Gordon has no place on the team:

    The four rookie receivers are likely being looked at as the group to lead this Browns offense into the future, which means certain players from the past must be let go in order to move forward. Josh Gordon is one of those players.

    While media attention shouldn't influence a team, we have all seen that it has. At the worst, media attention can lead to a team making decisions. At the least, media attention can sway a fanbase and their expectations.

    Because of the media attention, Josh Gordon still matters but it isn't only that.

    As DPD noted, the Browns are trying to turn the tables around from a past that isn't fun to look at. Gordon is a part of that past and a part of a losing culture that has led to continuous changeover at all levels of the team. The Browns have cut ties with most of the past already, in one offseason. There are few players that remain that have been with the team for more than 2 seasons. After cutting Donte Whitner, Karlos Dansby while letting go of Alex Mack, Mitchell Schwartz, Tashaun Gipson

    After cutting Donte Whitner and Karlos Dansby (among others) while letting go of Alex Mack, Mitchell Schwartz, Tashaun Gipson and Travis Benjamin (among others), the Browns seem intent on a fresh start. Yet none of those players had the combination of talent, youth and problems that Gordon has.

    Adding to the issue for the Browns is the school and personal relationships between new (likely) starting QB Robert Griffin III and 1st Round WR Corey Coleman. The 3 Baylor stars know each other and RG3 has already talked about wanting to help Gordon turn it around. Having a connection to two important members of the Browns offense could help bring Gordon along but will the Browns want to have Gordon's influence on Griffin and Coleman?

    Gordon's possible return also leaves 1 player on the 53 man roster in a tenuous position. While the NFL, especially at the bottom of the roster, is a week to week league, having the shadow of Josh Gordon hanging over could be troubling.

    Looking at the roster turnover and the two former Baylor stars connection to Gordon means Josh Gordon still matters to the Browns.

    Finally, there is the struggle between talent and culture. Some are already trying to create tension between new HC Hue Jackson and the "analytics" Front Office after Jackson talked about the FO's concern related to padded practices. We don't know what side Jackson and the FO stand on Gordon but there is validity on both sides.

    On the talent side, Gordon is young (25) and showed in the 2013 season that he could be one of the best wide receivers in the game. At 6'3" with long strides and long arms, Gordon is a weapon all over the field. With RG3's deep ball prowess, he and Gordon could be the best pass-catch combination in decades. At 25, there still should be some hope that Gordon can change.

    On the other side, the Browns are trying to set a culture. McManamon noted this as a big reason he believed Gordon would be gone. This wasn't a first strike for Josh. The Browns need to have players who live and breath football. They also can't get their hopes up and make decisions based around a player who is one poor choice away from breaking their hearts. After letting go of so many hard working, loved veterans this off-season, keeping Gordon could send the wrong message.

    It is possible the coaching staff and front office are on the same page, either way. It is also possible that one side or the other wants to keep Gordon around. For Jackson, who had A.J. Green with the Bengals, Gordon represents a chance for a very special offense and to rebuild RG3 quickly. For the Front Office, Gordon represents a young, talented player who will be a restricted free agent after the season, is cheap and could have trade value at the worst.

    Because of the conversations that have gone on, are likely going on and will go on if/when Gordon is reinstated, Josh Gordon still matters.

    While many fans are done with Gordon, and others are done with the NFL's policies, he looms large for the Browns. The easy answers are either "cut him" or "play him if he is reinstated," the Browns organization have a much more nuanced and likely difficult process going on.

    Because of all of that, Josh Gordon still matters for the Cleveland Browns.

    I haven't given up hope that he will return this season........when is the question and if he is being used as a 'pawn' in a game of power between the NFL and the NFLPA; I hope he gets a good lawyer and start his lawsuit asap. That is of course that he has been a good boy and stayed withing the parameters of the NFL demands for him to be reinstated. jmho

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    I, in fact, have given up on him as a Brown.

    I think that if he actually does get reinstated we will be well into October which is too late to try to get him up to speed after not playing in years. He probably requires an entire offseason of training, mini camps, TC and preseason to be in shape and in timing with QB's.

    IMO we will part ways with him and he'll be a Cowboy or something next season.

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    Elite talent will always matter. Hope it's w/ the Browns, but I see him being traded after being reinstated.




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    If the team has given up on him they would have released him. Since they haven't, ergo, they haven't given up on him.

    Does that means he is factored into their plans? Well, that's up to Josh. First he has to get reinstated. Then the team has to see how much rust is there from not playing football for almost two years. Then they have to see if there is a fit for him, given we drafted Coleman & 3 other WRs.

    If all those things fall in line, then Josh will be a Cleveland Brown. If even one of them doesn't, he won't be. They let Mack walk...they'll let Gordon walk too (or trade him).

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    Good post Zip.

    If, and that is a big if, Josh meets all the above criteria - bottom line is for the 2017 season Josh will still be a talented TWENTY SIX year old wide receiver. That is certainly young enough to still entice teams to give the Browns something fairly substantial in return for his services.

    The talent Josh displayed in 2013 and the potential of further stardom is the only thing keeping him tethered to the Browns right now. One thing that our current office has put on display so far is their forward thinking and intelligence. Josh - IF HE MEETS THE ABOVE CRITERIA - still has a lot to offer a team in this league. That is the difference between him and his former roommate. Releasing JM was intelligent. Releasing Josh would be, uhhh dumb.

    That is no longer our M.O. - thankfully.



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    Good point, and it makes me revise my stance a little -

    Josh is a unique talent. He is also a valuable ASSET. Much more so than a 30-year old center. So I'm walking back my 'they let Mack walk so they'll let Gordon walk' line.

    They won't just let Josh walk. If they determine he doesn't fit into their plans, then they will get a return on that asset. And I think a good way to do that is, let's say it's November & we're like 3-7 or whatever. Play Gordon. Showcase him. Let other teams see how good he still is. Then in the offseason we get more trade value for him.

    I am sure that the Geeks understand this. Of course, it will be up to Hue as to whether Josh plays, but again...if we're 3-7, why not? If we're better than that, like 4-6 or 5-5 that means we're still in the hunt & maybe he doesn't want to upset what is working. But let's just see how the season unfolds...if the opportunity is there to turn a 5th round pick for Josh into a 3rd round pick by playing him, go for it.

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    The other part of Josh Gordon is that he represents what the 'new' Browns are trying to distance themselves from. Poor character decisions. The whole reason he's not available to us now is because he was just with Manziel when the posh LA pad was trashed....and he white washed a drug test.

    The organization really doesn't want anything to do with potential black eyes any more. MO

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    Quote Originally Posted by VetteDawg View Post
    The other part of Josh Gordon is that he represents what the 'new' Browns are trying to distance themselves from. Poor character decisions. The whole reason he's not available to us now is because he was just with Manziel when the posh LA pad was trashed....and he white washed a drug test.

    The organization really doesn't want anything to do with potential black eyes any more. MO
    Sure, and I get that.

    But he's under contract & thus has value. I predict he will be gone at the max value they can get for him...as opposed to just releasing him to wash their hands of him.

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    Agreed Zip - they will absolutely maximize whatever value they can get out of him. Vette's point is spot on. I seriously doubt he ever wears the brown and orange again.



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    'Josh Gordon hopes ban lifted in a month or so, per report, but he's not in the Browns' plans for 2017'

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    By Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com on March 24, 2017 at 8:40 PM, updated March 24, 2017 at 9:36 PM

    CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Josh Gordon is hoping for a decision on his reinstatement by late April or early May, according to a report, but he's still not in the Browns' plans for 2017.

    ESPN's Dan Graziano reported Friday that Gordon and his camp expect NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell to rule on Gordon's application for reinstatement from his indefinite drug ban in about a month or so, but that there's no guarantee he'll be let back in the league. One source close to Gordon told Graziano he "embraces his role in his poor decision-making, which is half the battle."

    Even if he is reinstated, it's doubtful the Browns will give him another chance. A source said they'll likely try to trade him or possibly even release him. They have his rights for two more years after he's reinstated.

    But the Browns have given Gordon numerous chances, and he hasn't been able to stay on the field for them. He's been suspended for 43 of their last 48 games, and hasn't seen the field since Dec. 21, 2014 -- a 17-13 loss to the Panthers.

    Graziano also reported that Gordon, who turns 26 next month, has been working out in Gainesville, Florida with former Olympian Tim Montgomery.

    If anyone understands Gordon's battle with substance abuse, it's Montgomery, who turned his life around after prison time for possessing and selling heroin. Montgomery is now a coach at NUMA Speed, who helps troubled athletes get their lives and careers back on track.

    If Gordon is to be reinstated, he'll have to convince Goodell that he's not going to slip up again. The commissioner's whole emphasis has been on Gordon getting well before he can resume his football career.

    He reinstated Gordon on a conditional basis in July, suspending him for the first four games of the 2016 season for another violation of the substance abuse policy.
    Before that was up, Gordon left the team and checked himself into a 28-day rehab facility primarily for alcohol abuse, sources told cleveland.com.

    Gordon was also involved in a paternity suit when he left the team, and needed to step away to get himself together. Earlier this month, Gordon's business manager Michael Johnson told ESPN that the receiver was finally on the right track.

    "Josh is living with me and is in the best place mentally that he has been in dating back years before entering the NFL,'' Johnson said. "He has taken the proper steps to treat his issues and has followed a very strict protocol that the league and our team here has laid out for him.

    "He's also in the best shape of his life and feels even better than he did when he had his breakout year in 2013. This will be a special year for Josh and we are all very proud of the way he has taken the necessary steps to turn his life around."

    Gordon has at one advocate in Berea in advisor Jim Brown, who helped broker his conditional reinstatement last year. But head of football operations Sashi Brown and coach Hue Jackson don't appear ready to go down this road again.

    "On occasion I would check in with Josh just personally because we care for the young man,'' Sashi Brown said. "But beyond that we really haven't sat down to talk about what it would be like if he gets back in or even taken the time to understand exactly what that would look like. That's a pretty complicated process and we've got a lot of guys to focus our attention on.''

    When Gordon left the team last year, Jackson made it clear the team was closing the book on him, and he's not believed to be interested in opening it.

    "He's not reinstated yet, so I think it would be premature to get in any discussion about that,'' he said at the combine. "I'm sure we'll deal with it in the future when the time comes."

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